Steve Anderson’s Post Trib Moments Debunked

Here is my explanation of the 60 videos I recorded debunking Steve Anderson’s ridiculous “Post Trib Moment” videos.

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8 Responses to Steve Anderson’s Post Trib Moments Debunked

  1. Irv says:

    Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart !

    “church” RAPTURE “church”
    (present age) (tribulation)

    In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretrib) rapture in the Bible – and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!
    Walvoord’s “Rapture Question” (1979) says her view resembles the “partial-rapture view” and Lindsey’s “The Rapture” (1983) admits that “she definitely teaches a partial rapture.”
    But there’s more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only “spiritual” Christians in the rapture and “unspiritual” ones left behind to endure Antichrist’s trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists “pretribulationists”!
    Margaret’s pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those “filled with the Spirit” would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who’ve been repeating more than researching, have noted “Church” in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven’t known that all partial rapturists see “Church” on earth after their pretrib rapture (see above chart), they’ve wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
    In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving’s journal “The Morning Watch” (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual “Philadelphia” raptured before “the great tribulation” and unspiritual “Laodicea” left on earth.
    In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called “father of dispensationalism” even though he wasn’t first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the “Christian Herald.”
    Pretrib didn’t spring from a “church/Israel” dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a “church/church” one, as we’ve seen, and was based only on symbols!
    But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and “Jews” would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only “Jews” would face the Antichrist!
    As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church “going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews.” And he didn’t clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 “man child…caught up” symbol he’d “borrowed” (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!

    — PORTION REMOVED DUE TO ITS DECEPTIONS —

    / Spied the above while on the web. Any reaction? Lord bless. /

    • Irv: I’ve replied numerous times on these false allegations in previous posts. Walvoord and Lindsey do not give any such support to the notion that MM invented the pre-trib rapture. You have been fed a lie. Since you obviously bulk post your false teachings, refusing to read my refutations, I’m providing this website research to those who may happen to read this and have been deceived by what you wrote: https://lattertimesnews.wordpress.com/category/rapture/

    • One more thing Irv, you need to quit patrolling the net with your canned replies you copy and paste that are all based upon unproveable anti-Pretrib prevarications. I am blocking you from any further posts here unless you are willing to discuss the issues with the Word of God rather than the worn out, false, and nonsensical attacks from your mentors you blindly post wherever you possible can. Do I make myself clear Irv?

  2. Ross Purdy says:

    Interesting rebuttal. It has some weak points though. 2Th 2 describes the “day of Christ” as “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ AND our gathering together unto Him.” Thus it is unwarranted to split this into two different events and then in the wrong order separated no less by 7 years. Then Revelation 5 does not identify those saints as the Body of Christ raptured, but rather as redeemed saints. It is reading into the text to say that these are not just redeemed saints but the raptured Church. Note carefully verse 10 which says that they expect to reign with Christ on Earth! Most dispensationalists say we are raptured up to heaven to never come back to earth…perhaps your position is modified from this.

    • Ross: This is a 61 video series refuting Anderson’s anti-PreTrib allegations point by point. Pastor Bryan deals with each of your presumptions and more. I suggest you watch it in it’s entirety. Shalom, Dr. Mike 2 Tim 2:2

      • Ross Purdy says:

        I would like to see them all…we will see if I get that far. But he made individual videos for each point and that really is helpful for staying on point. I don’t know that I would remember everything that comes to mind during each video after having first watched them all. So I will continue to comment on each point as it comes to mind and is fresh. One can always refer back to a point.

        Concerning what I said in my first post, it may be that many disps see us returning to reign with Christ during the Millennium on earth with Christ and thereafter spending the rest of eternity in the new heavens. In any case, the video does not serve to debunk Steve’s video. It merely asserts that presumption required by one’s theology. The other videos will bear the burden to make up for it. IT makes sense then that you want one to watch all of them before commenting.

      • Bro Ross, you are right; all the videos from Pastor Bryan Denlinger are directed at answering the specifics of Anderson’s false allegations. Strangely, while the PreWrathers like to charge the PreTrib position with being a rather new comer to eschatology (they claim it was started in the 19th Century, which is provably preposterous) their position was invented by Robert Van Kampen in the late 1970s and popularized by Marv Rosenthal in 1990. Hypocrisy at its finest!

        Another rapture apologetic series I recommend is by Dr. Renald Showers that begins here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri8pkC-D8Qs&list=PLAD14C7B518941A5B&index=1

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